The HUGE Problem with DINGO LIVE... ft Babymonster - Deserve – Transcript

00:00Well, well, well. The famous or infamous Dingo Live. H Dingo Live have been quite interesting as of the last I don't know five years. Um they are for a lot of people the standard and one of the most impressive shows that you can go to to showcase your live vocals because you do you know you do the whole medley's you do the whole

00:26showcases of the careers and you go in there and people when they watch this stuff they think that what you're going to see is going to be a showcase of vocals of course our realm what we love to talk about the problem with dingo is throughout the la last five is uh they have not been very very honest at all.

00:48Um they pitch correct the idols and they fix manually notes and they make sure that everything sounds great. H that is the reason why you haven't seen any K-pop group have a bad showing at Dingo.

01:03Um they usually all have quite competent showings, but they weren't competent on the day. Um, >> which is natural by the way. If you're going to have a live clip recording of one take of that specific song, there will be some human nuances unless you're like, I don't know, absolutely world class vocalist. But a lot of these idols are not >> are not most people in K-pop are not.

01:29>> And you should be able to see a difference between some groups that have better vocalist than some others. Like you should be able to see that disparity. But in dingo everybody just seems to have the same standard. Yeah. So >> based based on the uh the product and the image of the studio itself uh I have a little suspicion that they might have been some editing and post-prouction

01:57this particular performance. >> We shall find out. Also we have run it through uh our software vocalize uh in which we will you know we'll talk you through what we think is pitched or what is very [ __ ] obviously pitched and what isn't >> and how it actually audit tree sounds.

02:17Yeah, >> you should be able to notice that yourself. >> Yep. Vocalize is free by the way. Anyone can [ __ ] do this. This is so stupid that people think like, "Oh my god, my my idols are not pitched correctly."

02:40>> So very different to it live. They do have a split here which is kind of weird. >> It's soft. It's very very soft. But the it is there. >> There is a split like 20% backing track with a singing line >> phrase. She is forward is is like 80% herself

03:10>> again. >> These two ladies. Oh, beautiful vocal colors. And I I love the fact that we're actually getting the opportunity to to exploit that for both of them. Technically speaking, Chikita is the superior singer in the group.

03:25>> I agree. >> And people I don't know, it's just because she doesn't hit the same notes that like the ayong and the ramies and the and the feritas. But technically speaking, she's the most competent. >> How many idols can even do this? I see you.

03:51>> They don't even have the chops to do those types of flourishes. >> I see in your eyes. Youern.

04:11>> She's more forward. Not because the split isn't there, but because Ayong does project better than everyone else. >> Yes. >> Um, >> I do I I do have to say this so far sounds really natural. This sounds natural in terms of like it doesn't sound like it's manually fixed. So the the parameter in which they have done a lot of the post-p production, it's a little bit more flexible. is a little

04:36bit wider than the your usual parameter for like vocal note fixing. >> Yeah. So the parameter what B means by that is that you do get some room to um they they usually try to put you right on the note but to make things sound less robotic they do give you sort of like a a boundary you know >> a natural nuance in the range of the of the note itself >> could be 5% of accuracy could be 10% to

05:04the note who knows >> and it actually creates this illusion of very natural human sounding. So, like if you're watching this whole video continuously, the the experience wouldn't actually turn any alarms in in your in your ear. Like, this is actually a really nice thing to to experience.

05:25>> But in our opinion, don't [ __ ] trust Ingo. >> Yes. >> A bunch of [ __ ] obsessed They're obsessed with perfection for no reason. >> I don't I don't even know why. It takes away the actual uh the actual expertise of the group. like it it sort of like diminishes what the group has very proudly done correctly.

05:45>> And what I call them is knee benders. >> They bent the knee. They b And by what I mean by that is the labels ask the labels make requests and they bend the knee. They say yes. But I'm not sure about that because especially with Baby Monster, I feel like a lot of the the the uh performances that they have had with vocal vocal fixing like with uh changing pitch and stuff. I think

06:12>> it has to do more with like the network or like the studio that they're working with rather rather than actually being a baby monster production sort of request. Yep. >> That was a little >> That was pitched.

06:35>> Yeah, >> pitched. >> It's natural. That's fine.

06:56Fita also good good she's been very impressive as of late ever since the beginning again stuff >> they they have definitely pushed her as the second main voc they have really made her like step up to that vocal responsibility which I think which I think is really difficult and she has really uh sort of like carried that responsibility with grace actually >> technically we're still not there but let's

07:34It's just annoying because like Ruka and and Asa don't have any layer >> and because they don't need it and actually I would argue they should have a layer more than everyone else because they're doing rap >> and and you want rap to sound girthy.

07:49Um, but for some reason in K-pop, we always have that sort of, in my opinion, backwards mentality where it's like you let the rappers be as raw as possible where it's the least musical, least melodic part of the songs. And when the parts where the singers should be able to carry the melody and have the most um uh melodic part of things, uh, they put the [ __ ] split.

08:14>> Gorgeous projection. Cool. >> Beautiful projection. >> Good Aurora on this. This is a really good showing for Aurora.

08:39>> And they seem they're very consistent about this sound regardless. So that's good. I could love you till the end of time. >> That's nice though because >> hard to tell now.

09:07>> That was fixed. >> That was fixed. I I think uh a Aon's section the whole section that she did it was actually pretty authentic. Yeah. And so was Farita's cuz like her top note was a little like a tiny bit flat. And actually again I think that's the reason why these engineers are absolute wizards cuz they fix little moments but they they leave the ones that are a little bit >> you'll see it on the ground.

09:29>> Yeah. Like there was like it's fine like we leave that one to create the illusion that everything was organic. >> Yeah. It's also like it doesn't it's not just to create the illusion. like to leave her personality in the song. >> Yes. Yes. I agree. Also, you you want to create some sort of difference from the studio version.

09:45>> Actually, I or Aon is really difficult to pitch in the moments in which she doesn't do the high notes because when she doesn't project as much, she doesn't add she doesn't have that natural tremor that she has just out of nerves and sort of lack of grounding. But if you take away that tremor, it'll make her sound like a just [ __ ] like a like a synth. If you try to pitch correctly, >> yeah, it takes away the humanity really quickly >> and the recognizability of girl of the girl. So, >> she's kind of hard to pitch in that

10:13sense >> because that's like a vocal mannerism that makes her incredibly recognizable like straight away. >> So, that's a good sign. Obviously, in the higher notes, they are pitching. >> That was pitched to [ __ ] Cuz every time I look into your eyes, my heart >> cool. They pitch there. They pitch

10:42there. >> But the whole phrase up until the no was actually pretty organic. Baby, you like a G5, bro.

11:00>> It's It's heavy. We're going to find out what what the [ __ ] that is. It does sound like a [ __ ] G5. It This is going to be hard for us with our software to know because we don't have the stems. >> Yeah. So, we're we're just using one whole track, which means that we can't see what Fight is doing and Aon is doing. like this software would have trouble recognizing >> so I won't know here. Yeah,

11:27>> that was real from AO >> cuz obviously she's a little bit >> unveil I would this this is a continuous listening experience. This would actually be really nice to to to have that.