Joe Rogan Experience #2560 - David Grusch – Transcript

00:01Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. >> All right, bro. David, what's up? >> Thanks for having me back on. Yeah, >> my pleasure.

00:16>> Yeah. >> Well, you're the one that's closest to the flame, so tell me what's going on. >> Oh, I know, right? So, uh, living a nightmare is what I tell my friends. So, it's definitely um been a tough several years or so. And uh you know last time we were on uh just testified in front of Congress and uh the UAP Disclosure Act of 23 was you know possibly getting passed. It failed to get passed and then I um based on you know things I know about the Biden administration, things I

00:44heard from the White House, I decided to kind of lay low for a year. So 24 I didn't do too much. And then uh Representative Burlson had this crazy idea to to hire me as a professional staff member for Congress working for him. Uh turns out I guess I was like the first guy that ever testified in front of Congress as a whistleblower and then being subsequently hired by Congress. Um I was the first guy to ever do that which is very interesting and very cool.

01:10And I I do thank Burlson for um you know his leadership on that. And so I did that for about a year and a half. um just finished up actually. I was like, you know what? I'm staying longer than I thought. You know, I'm going to wait until Labor Day, see where things are. I worked pretty hard over uh uh summer recess in August and and decided uh to, you know, wind down some of my activities because I accomplished a lot of my objectives. We can get into that

01:36obviously and then uh kind of move into I'll call it my next phase of operations, which includes a little break for me. Um it's been very tiring. I've been kind of, you know, going full throttle for the last couple years and whatnot. And so we're really at a, I think, a poignant moment in US history with what Trump's done and the things you've seen in the media and whatnot.

01:56And there's a lot of other stuff happening behind the scenes because, you know, a lot of my work has been private behind the scenes, you know, working for Congress, specifically Representative Burlson. >> So, let me ask you the environment. So, are there some people in Congress that are interested in disclosure of this stuff and pursue you and want to find out information and want you to tell them what what's going on and and then are there other people that are

02:23resisting this? Yeah, I think there's a big bifurcation of the non-believers and then kind of the UAP caucus. Although you see more and more people kind of signing on to the cause like I did a presser back in June in front of the capital with members and we even had Brigider General retired uh representative Scott Perry there who was on the House Intelligence Committee from my home state of PA and it was good to see other members, you know, start showing that they support the cause. But

02:49it has been challenging behind the scenes and I had many skiff classified meetings with the members kind of going over the topological history of this topic and and some of the deeper darker kind of you know criminal stuff I bumped into and how I worked with DOJ to kind of highlight some of that stuff and that's what >> kind of criminal stuff.

03:08>> Yeah. So, uh, when I was, um, looking into this, and I have to be very respectful of, uh, my participation in this because it's an ongoing thing with DOJ. Um, I was, you know, following the money, bumping into other activities.

03:23Um, very much like, actually, it's sort of related. And if you saw in the news that David Rush, very similar name to me, it's kind of uh, freaky, uh, but he was arrested with $40 million of gold bars. He was a CIA officer. where he made a fake uh continuity of government special access program and you know he went under the radar basically um doing his own thing and getting gold and Rolexes and stuff and the FBI raided his house back in May. True true story.

03:49Yeah, the guy has a >> is that gold bars? >> He has he had $40 million of gold bars. >> Where did he get the gold bars >> from the agency? >> They have them laying around. >> Yeah. I can't get into all the details of why the government >> Hold on. The government has gold bars.

04:03>> Yeah. And this guy just snatched him. >> Yeah. He made I don't know all the details, but he made a fake continuity of government special access program that nobody was briefed into. He like, you know, papered it and uh nobody at the CIA questioned what he was doing.

04:18And he was like, "Well, I need, you know, 40 million in gold bars because of the special continuity of government activity." >> Wait, wait, wait. So that's how they fund some things in gold bars. It's almost like uh in Afghanistan when I was over there, I'd have guys with briefcases full of $100,000 in cash cuz you have to pay for things, right?

04:37>> So, >> but that kind of makes more sense to me than lugging around gold. >> Yeah. >> What does like 40 million in gold bars look like? >> Uh I saw the seizure photos. It's a lot. I mean, it's really >> Can I see what that looks like? >> It's approximately 303 gold bars that each weigh approximately 1 kilogram a piece.

04:54>> Yo, that's a lot of weight. Yeah, I was looking for a picture. There's only like AI photos of it >> at least that I could find. >> So, a kilogram is 1.2.2 lb. >> Yeah. 2.28 or something. >> That's crazy. >> 600. >> He's got 600 lb of gold. >> Yeah.

05:08>> Where the do you put? So, he just had it in his house. >> He did have it at his house and he laying around. >> Bunch of Rolexes and all that. And >> Oh, so he was just going crazy. >> Yeah. Well, who knows what he was really going to use the gold for, but that that's an open-ended thing. And he was he was pretending that he was using it for some disclosure type deal or did it have anything to do with UAPs?

05:29>> Uh not that I'm aware of, but that same ecosystem I bumped into. So his fabricated program was a continuity government program. So that's like, you know, if something bad happens, >> people are going to a hideout site, you know, sanitized location, >> right?

05:44>> And so what I bumped into unfortunately was like the deep underbelly of the federal government. We can get into it. It's it's a lot of stuff I've never talked about because it's just very terrifying and I you know I've been through a lot of a lot of crazy and I ended up bumping into a criminal enterprise uh run out of a particular agency and um it was basically um getting money through certain criminal

06:11endeavors the most unspeakable type of criminal endeavors under the cover of uh certain national security programs. That's about as >> When you say certain unspeakable >> Yeah. >> You mean like what do you mean like trafficking?

06:26>> Yeah. >> Like child trafficking. So the government was involved in child trafficking for money. >> Officers of the government. That's true. Yeah. It's it's up. I uh I briefed members in a classified setting all the details. Um, and I I'm highlighting that because this is how serious this issue is is there's an ecosystem and there's a lot

06:50of good people are on these programs in terms of the the UAP side. Yeah. And I know a lot of them. They're friends of mine. They're patriotic people doing their duty, but there is like a small little cast system of characters um that are part of this larger ecosystem of uh no holds barred. we're going to do what we want and you know we're going to do whatever kind of criminal activity to get a washed money uh for our cutouts like so a good example of course would be Iran Contra right which is very

07:16famous 86 and the CIA was engaged in those kind of activities and this has all been exposed all over north and all that to fund the contras weapons purchases procurement etc and a lot of that you know seemed to uh possibly be drug trafficking the government never confirmed that but you look at Barry Seal and and his um uh statements in the 80s and 90s and and it's likely that that um probably occurred, you know.

07:44>> Yeah. It was all through Freeway Ricky Ross. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah. Ricky's been on the podcast multiple times. >> That's right. That's right. >> Yeah. He was on what is it like two years ago, year and a half ago. Last time he was on. Um >> it's funny cuz he's out now. Uh became an attorney while I was in jail. Found out learned to read first. Okay.

08:04Couldn't read. became an attorney in jail, found out that they tried him. You know that triple jeopardy, three strikes thing. >> Yeah. >> They tried him incorrectly. They used that incorrectly because it's supposed to be three different times you were arrested instead of like three crimes that were attached to one arrest. So, he gets out of jail. Now, he sells legal weed.

08:24>> All right. All right. >> Lovely guy. But he he's a great guy, but he had no idea that he was selling cocaine to fund the Contra versus the Sandinistas. >> Interesting. He had no idea. He thought that he was just a a slick character that just knew what he was doing and was, you know, he didn't realize that the CIA was literally allowing him to do it. Then we've also had Michael Roupert on the podcast. You know who he is?

08:47>> No. >> Michael Roupert was the LA narcotics officer that on uh I believe it was on C-SPAN. He went on C-SPAN during a hearing and he exposed the entire or organization selling drugs in South Central Los Angeles because he was involved in it. He was involved in like busting people that were doing it and then they told him he has to leave it alone because it was the CIA.

09:11>> Yeah. Yeah. And so when I bumped into that stuff, you know, I immediately worked at Department of Justice. >> That's one level, but like child trafficking is another level. >> I know, man. It's it's really up and and there's a lot of details that are I have a lot more questions than answers and and I you know I worked with the OJ and you know from what I understand uh I got a gold star in a brief to Cash Patel about it last year.

09:34I wasn't in the briefing, but I, you know, I I was told I got kudos, but it was very disturbing. And so, like, obviously, a lot of these programs are legal in the sense that there's in terms of UAP stuff, there's, you know, classified executive orders back in the day that covers them and >> and they're upstanding citizens and we could we could litigate like, you know, uh, Congress wasn't necessarily brought into the fold enough from an oversight

10:01perspective, etc. But, you know, the core of the program, you know, does have uh a legal beginning, but when you don't have oversight, unfortunately, certain small pockets of people start doing that they shouldn't have. And I and unfortunately, >> I got deeply ins snared in that. There was a very small group of people that uh, you know, pushed me over the edge and I had to do what I got to do to to you know, protect myself. And I never

10:28wanted to be a whistleblower. You know, I was a deeply entrenched, you know, 15-year intel officer, military officer in the Air Force. You know, I was working some of the country's most sensitive issues. You know, started going to the White House to brief the National Security Council in my mid20s on space issues back during the Obama administration. And and in 2019 when I joined the UAP task force and I was tasked to investigate this, I was like, "Sure, I'll look into it." you know, the special access program or black program