Joe Rogan Experience #2553 - Andrew Huberman – Transcript

00:01Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. >> Hey. Hello, Andrew. Great to see you again.

00:16>> Good to see you, my friend. What a thick ass book you wrote, sir. >> Yeah. I figure it doubles as a doors stop or a weapon. Yeah. It's um it's designed to be read front to back. learn a lot of science, a lot of health protocols, but you can also just decide, I want to get better at managing stress.

00:32Go straight to that chapter, look up what you want to do, say, "Oh, I already do that." Go to the next thing and use it sort of like a a manual. >> This is a very ambitious undertaking. >> It took me just shy of eight years.

00:47>> The operating manual or an operating manual for the human body, that's a lot. like just just sitting down there, you know, in front of the computer thinking, I'm going to write an operating manual for the human body. >> Well, it didn't start off like that. At first, it was a book about the autonomic nervous system, stress, sleep, focus.

01:06Then it evolved. Then I had a third completely new rewrite. And my good friend, now I'm honored to call him a friend, but he's just such a good dude. Rick Rubin was like, "Do you like it?" I was like, "Ah." And he goes, "Scrape it." I'm like, "What?" And then he said, "I'm going to get myself in trouble." He goes, "Scrape it, man.

01:25Like, what are you doing?" And I said, "I don't know." He's like, "You have to love it." And then he said, "Uh, they're going to push you to release this thing." And I said, "I already said I was going to release it." I did. I did it again. And then I did that again. And I was going to visit him in Europe each summer and we'd sit together and he he goes, "Let's read some stuff together."

01:45But with Rick, what that means is you sit there and he reads you and how you're reacting to the material. So we barely read any of it. I was just talking about and he goes, "It's not ready." I go, "What do you mean?" He goes, "It's not ready. You're not ready." And so then this year finally, but this book, I mean, we were in Europe this summer for a friend's wedding. My team was over there and my girlfriend and I were traveling. She was so understanding. But from I was doing

02:11edits from like 900 PM until 2:30 in the morning every single night and waking up the next morning. Like this book has been while you on vacation. >> Quote unquote vacation. Yeah. I owe her a real real vacation now. She was working too, but she was asleep in those hours. And we stopped by Rick's. He's like, "How's it going?" I'm like, "It's there." And he's like, he just like checked in. He's like, "It's there."

02:34Like he can just feel it. >> Such a weirdo. Dude, I mean, he's he he has this supernatural ability to feel where people are at but not get absorbed in it. >> And I have so many Rick stories. We could spend the whole time talking about Rick's stories, but the the man is just like he's plugged into some energetic layer that the rest of us aren't.

02:54>> And he's all day, every day, he's connecting with people and and trying to help them. Like he really spends most of his time like looking out at the world and trying to help people with their with their art, with their stuff. And >> that's really him. if you know him, that's him 24/7. He lives in that space.

03:08It's a very weird head space >> to be in because you're constantly like looking at other people's stuff. It's like he's a taste maker, you know, or that's not even a good description of him. He's just like an analysis of art.

03:22Like that's his his his function. He analyzes art, but from like for lack of a better term, almost like a spiritual perspective. Like he sees whether it's real. Totally.

03:35>> He finds the realness and like we made the Red Hot Chili Peppers record one of their albums in a mansion cuz he wanted to hear like instead of a recording studio, he wanted to hear like the sounds of the house. >> That's so Rick. There's a you know I I didn't come here to plug this, but we should cuz it's going to be awesome because I I may have seen pieces of it.

03:53He has this documentary with Jay-Z coming out like next week where they sit in this incredible monument structure in Europe and they just listen to music together and talk about music and it's so good. It's >> which is a documentary on them listening.

04:09>> It's really about Jay um but about his childhood music. >> Yeah. So Jay's music and they're listening to Yeah. >> I think this was filmed in an abandoned post office in France because Rick liked the skylight. >> >> I've seen pieces of it. I'm so excited to see this.

04:30>> It's all black and white. >> I think so. >> HBO Max. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. He's He's on a whole other >> He's a weird goo. Very weird dude. >> Very rational, too, right? I mean, his whole thing I may have said this before, but his whole thing is he says uh there are only three things. It used to be two, but he updated it to three things in life that are true. One is uh the laws of physics, biology, chemistry, you

04:55know, nature. The other is God, right? We talk a lot about God these days. And the third is professional wrestling. And and he watches 10 hours a week, as you know, professional wrestling because he said he's like everyone agrees it's made up. So it's the only thing that everyone agrees. He thinks everything else is made up. He thinks because we made up, you know, media, we made up show business, we made up the game, you know,

05:22a sport and what the rules are >> and he just thinks it's the, you know, it's the closest thing to truth out there. >> Yeah, that's where he and I part ways. >> I mean, I went to an AEW event with him. It was pretty cool. I have to say it was the first time going and um the the athletes all adore him. Like, everyone loves him and he's there front row with us.

05:41>> Oh, yeah. Because he's a huge fan. >> Huge fan. I think he's a lifetime member. and and um and uh you lifetime member and uh and he he he really can extract like truisms about human nature from watching wrestling. Oh yeah, there we go. I'm the only one without my red glasses on at that point apparently. Oh man, >> the red glasses.

06:02>> Well, what's wild is at one point the guys are like climbing the ladder. They're going to like grab the thing and they're they're both coming up the sides of the ladder and then one stops and goes, "Hey, that's Rick Rubin." And the guy pushes out the ladder and I look at Rick to see if he's sort of like getting some sort of dopamine hit off and he just goes. He's just listen. He's just there experiencing it, but he's not like pulled into it.

06:23>> Yeah, I need to drug test him. >> I think he's on acid. >> He claims he's never done any drugs. >> That seems ridiculous. >> Maybe had one sip of alcohol ages ago, which in the music business, that's a feat. >> He must have one of those brains that's broken and just leaks psychedelic chemicals all the time.

06:37>> I know, whatever plane of consciousness he's on. I've always thought that about like schizophrenics. Like I [snorts] wonder if that's what's happening. I wonder if they have like some dump of psychedelic chemicals that's constantly like leaking into their brain because we knew we know the brain really does produce indogenous psychoactive compounds like DMT.

06:56>> Mhm. >> I mean isn't it possible that you could have a brain that leaks it? So here's the weird thing about schizophrenia and it speaks to the larger kind of ways that medicine works for better or worse is that for the longest time we thought that dop dopamine too much dopamine was schizophrenia. Why? Because drugs that reduce dopamine call them neurolleptic drugs haloperidol all these things cloopene would reduce auditory hallucinations. So the conclusion was >> auditory auditory >> so meaning voices in your head. Yeah.

07:24And that's mostly what people deal with, you know, especially paranoid schizophrenics. They're hearing voices. Do this, do that, you're awful. I mean, it's, >> if you think about it from that perspective, imagine all day and night, you're just dealing with voices in your head that feel like another person there telling you usually horrible things about yourself or the outside world all the time. And these drugs reduce those symptoms. We've known that for a long time. But because they reduce dopamine and all over the brain and body, they

07:50create what's something called tardive diskynesia, which is a suppression of the motor system. And so you'll see people who are doing this like rising like this. You'll see them on the street a lot. Sometimes that's psychosis. A lot of times that's psychotic people who are taking their antiscychotic med medication.

08:07>> Yeah. >> But you know, it gives you some empathy >> voices and tell the voices to shut the up. I I think some have auditory hallucinations and um but most have auditory hallucinations. Sorry, some have visual excuse me some have visual hallucinations but most have auditory hallucinations. And you know this sets in usually around mid early 20s. And what's weird is years ago I had a a meal with the then director of the

08:35National Institutes of Mental Health. His name was Bob Desimone. And he said, ' Do you know why there's so little money for research on schizophrenia compared to say autism? I was like, why? And he's like, well, because the parents of autistic kids lobby hard and usually the parents of autistic kids are not also autistic, but schizophrenia, even though it's not, you know, doesn't run completely through families. Often times the parents of schizophrenics will have schizotypal conditions or >> what is that?

09:01>> These are it's like they now call them schizoid schizotypal. They'll have un not typical thinking, right? Um it doesn't mean they're crazy, but >> they're off. >> They're off. And so they're they're they're not bad people, but their place in society often doesn't position them to like sit down with a senator and say, "Hey, listen, you know, my kids got autism and we need more research on this." And so a lot of what where the money goes has to do with where obviously the lobby is. And if you think

09:28about genetic disorders in families and we know there is a strong component with uh schizophrenia like if you take two uh monozygotic identical twins right the if one is paranoid schizophrenic the probability that the other one will be paranoid schizophrenic isn't 100% but it's pretty it's much higher than in than by chance much much higher.

09:46>> Have they ever done a study where one manages to avoid it with lifestyle choices or diet or exercise or something along those lines? Definitely, although not in a way that you could attribute it to one thing, but for instance, for a long time, active military service in somebody who has a genetic predisposition to psychosis was a kind of an an additional risk factor, a meaningful risk factor >> makes sense because of the stress.