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Forget Discipline, Just Be Natural | Osho – Transcript
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- Tao is described as spontaneous, effortless, and anarchic, while all disciplines are considered unnatural and man-made.
- Divisions within human consciousness such as the conscious, subconscious, and unconscious are created through repression and discipline rather than being natural.
- The teaching of tao emphasizes that there is no need to become anything or improve upon yourself because you are already that.
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Where does educating the subconsciousness conflict are harmonize with tao as it implies discipline with self effort from an external expression Tao knows nothing of discipline.
Tao is anarchctic, is spontaneous, effortless. All disciplines are unnatural.
They have to be. Nature needs no discipline. It is sufficient unto itself. Trees and rivers and animals and stars they don't know anything of discipline.
Discipline is man created manmade and because of discipline man becomes split. One part starts manipulating the other part.
Then a rift is created. The mind tries to manipulate the body and the body tries to manipulate the mind in subtle ways.
Art at least tries to sabotage. This conflict creates confusion.
All conflict is confusion. Because of conflict, the fusion cannot happen. You cannot be one. You cannot be fused in one. Hence, confusion.
And the ultimate result can only be schizophrenia. You go on fighting and fighting and by and by you are no more one individual.
You become many at least two and if worse happens than many then you become a crowd and when you are not one you cannot be happy. Happiness is a function of unity.
Happiness is the music that happens when you are in a unison when everything fits together. When everything harmonizes together, when there is no conflict, not even a dress of it, when you are an orchestra,
not a crowd, nobody is trying to manipulate, nobody is trying to become the master, nobody is trying to explo expolite, oper The whole being is overflowing with joy.
Tao is a spontaneity. It is not discipline. Hence tao is the ultimate in religion. No religion touches that peak. The moment a religion starts becoming a discipline, it has already fallen very low.
There are three stages of a religion. Just like there is childhood, youth and old age in the life of a man are a woman. So there are three stages in the life of a religion. When religion is born, the childhood of religion. When a master is alive fresh
and from the source the energy is flowing and the fragrance is coming. When Buddha is alive or Lauu is alive or Jesus is alive, then religion has its first virgin innocent estate.
The childhood, it is fresh as the dew drops in the morning, fresh as the rose flower, fresh as stars.
Innocent knows no discipline. It knows only spontaneity. Close to a master people is start gathering. That is bound to happen. A magnet is there. People start gathering.
Then the second stage comes the stage of organic religion. The first state is individual religion. Rebellious is spontaneous. There is no question of any effort, any discipline, any scripture.
God is in the nude. Truth is as it is. No camouflage, no dressings. Then people start gathering.
The second stage is not so rebellious for these people and because of these people by and by discipline arises.
The master goes on talking of the spontaneity but the followers cannot understand spontaneity. They translate it in terms of disciplining themselves. The master says just be. They ask how to be.
Their question of the how by and by brings discipline in. They create the discipline. Let me say it in this way. The master brings spontaneity.
The disciples bring discipline. The word disciple and discipline come from the same root. When discip disciples have gathered around a master, they start translating what he saying, what he means. They start interpreting and of course they interpret according to their minds. There is no other way.
If you interpret at all, you will misinterpret. The real disciple is one who does not interpret, who does not translate, who listens passively, who is not asking a how, who is not in a hurry to get some results,
who is not goal oriented, who is not greedy. The greedy disciple immediately creates a discipline. This is the second stage is still alive.
I call this stage the organic state of religion. The master is there. The disciples have come. There is a organic unity. But in the first stage there was only the center. Now there is a circumference and the circumference will go on becoming bigger and bigger and bigger and the
bigger it is the lesser true it will be. Farther away the circumference goes from the center farther away it goes from truth innocence it becomes knowledge.
It becomes discipline dogma. But still a little light comes through all these screens. Then the third stage when the master is gone then religion becomes a organized religion. It is no more organic now because the center has disappeared. Now
the circumference tries to exist without the center. It becomes a church creed theology.
Now religion is very old and someday somewhere religion dies but the church continues. You ask where does educating the subconsciousness conflict or harmonize
with as it implies discipline with self effort from an external expression. Tao never allowed itself to become a organic religion. Even naturally it never allowed itself to become a church.